Housh on Shipley

Posted by hobsonschoice1 on June 25, 2010 – 3:46 pm

Who better to ask about the prospects of Bengals rookie receiver Jordan Shipley than one of the men with whom he has been endlessly compared?

“He’s only compared to Wes Welker because he’s white and to me because he’s in Cincinnati and he plays the slot,” said T.J. Houshmandzadeh with a laugh the other day.

 “I liked what I saw of him in college. I think he’s ahead of most guys coming out when it comes to playing the slot because that’s where he played a lot. He knows the linebackers are going to try and re-direct him. He knows what to do in the middle of the field. People are going to be closer to him because he’s not in a spread offense like he was in college and he’ll have to get used to that. I played the slot a little bit in college, but not much. I had to learn play it on the fly (with the Bengals).”

Houshmandzadeh, the Bengals’ third all-time leading receiver before leaving via free agency last season, heads into his second season in Seattle and 10th in the NFL vowing to erase last year.  After catching 79 balls at 11.5 yards per catch for three touchdowns, he has been re-energized by the new offensive coordinator head coach Pete Carroll brought in, former Broncos offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates, a year older than Houshmandzadeh at a soon to be 34.

Houshmandzadeh, recovering from a sports hernia surgery, could have practiced the last couple of weeks instead of just running routes and catching the ball. But this week Bates told him to forget it because he needs him for the real season and he needed to give time to a slew of guys jockeying for the No. 2 and No. 3 jobs.

“Pete is like Marvin,” Houshmandzadeh said of his old Bengals head coach, Marvin Lewis. “If you’re back in three weeks, how come you weren’t back in two? But the offensive coordinator is really cool.”

And Bates, who showed his Denver receivers Houshmandzadeh’s Bengals’ tapes, also told him something he’s never heard before. He’s going to give him the chance to win the No. 1 job.

“I can’t wait,” Houshmandzadeh said. “He’s putting that on me and I’m ready to go.  That means 100 catches should be the minimum.”

Houshmandzadeh doesn’t know how many catches Shipley is going to get his rookie year, but he thinks he’ll have a better chance to get more than Houshmandzadeh’s 21 catches for 228 yards in 2001 simply because he’s a third-round pick.

“If you’re smart and you know what you’re doing and you’re better than the guy in front of you, you’ll be OK,” said Houshmandzadeh, a seventh-rounder. “If I’d been drafted higher, I would have played. They’re going to say, ‘He’s a rookie receiver,’ and all that.  It doesn’t matter.  You still have to get open and you still have to catch it.”

His advice to Shipley:

“There are times he’s going to struggle, but all you have to do is understand what you’re doing and understand what they’re trying to do to you. If you understand those two things, it’s going to make it easier for you.”

He’s watching the competition keenly because he says among Shipley, Andre Caldwell, The Ocho, and Antonio Bryant, “There’s going to be an odd man out…That should be a good receiver competition.”

Houshmandzadeh is hearing the questions nationally about Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer and shakes his head.

“Carson is a beast,” Houshmandzadeh said. “I’ve thrown with Pro Bowl quarterbacks. I’ve thrown with Super Bowl quarterbacks. You talk about release and arm, and Carson is a beast. He never throws a receiver under the bus when he throws an interception and it’s not his fault.”

He thinks Palmer has a big year this year “if they run the ball like they did last year. It’s going to be interesting. Everybody is scouting the Bengals now after going 6-0 in the division. Everybody is looking to pick up something to stop it.”

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12 Responses to “Housh on Shipley”

  1. By overthroensamoan on Jun 25, 2010 | Reply

    Shipley will be a solid slot receiver. I’m more concerned about the knee of Bryant. Past experience shows you need 2 solid wideouts for that slot to be truely effective.

  2. By coachwine on Jun 25, 2010 | Reply

    Geoff: I’m only writing because I don’t want you to feel this blog was written in vain. There just isn’t anything else to say, TJ said it all. I’m excited to see this receiver competition.

  3. By mwindle1973 on Jun 26, 2010 | Reply

    Only pads will tell….

    He should be able to contribute by all we’ve seen though. He’d make a nice 4th WR to bring into the game this year. He can play STs be able to return if ever needed and provide quality snaps in the slot.

    But we still have to see what he does. And we haven’t seen Briscoe or Jones in pads yet either. Really more questions than answers at WR.

    I’m not convinced on Bryant at this point. I mean he does have the talent, credentials, age & salary. But he has to do something first doesn’t he? Hopefully that’s exactly what he does. Because last year part of the problem in the slot was we were going to it too much. We really need the strong side WR to step up and take pressure of the the weak and slot WRs and the TEs/HBs. If you can start working both sides of the field it will open up the underneath and HB dump off stuff. Last year teams were able to cover us and spy the the outlet pass.

    Last point….Carson having his left hand back in use will really help a lot. It telegraphed the run and made fakes hard to pull off. Look for him to improve a lot in the play action area. Which in turn will make it easier for the line to protect him.

  4. By 2ndboot on Jun 26, 2010 | Reply

    If Ship works out the way I think he just might in a few years there may just be a whole lot of fans saying TJ Who? Of course that’s yet to be seen, but even if he produces better than the guys did in slot last year it will be TJ who real quick..
    Still, all in all TJ was a darn good slot guy..Nobody can take that away.

  5. By 2ndboot on Jun 28, 2010 | Reply

    While on the subject of ends and this is unrelated, but when did WR’s stop being called Ends? The term tight end is still in use, but not plain ends or left end/right end. Now it’s referred as strong side WR or weak side WR, but just when did that change? Not that it really matters, but the only one called end now is the tight end spot.

  6. By 2ndboot on Jun 28, 2010 | Reply

    Oops..forget about DE’s.. I was thinking more of offense..

  7. By spvinny on Jun 29, 2010 | Reply

    I’ll be surprised if Shipley beats Caldwell after the break out season he had, but Shipley will probaly contribute as a 4rth reciever this year and be a great slot reciever down the road.

  8. By gtt2223 on Jun 29, 2010 | Reply

    Will Shipley be fighting Quan Crosby for the slot receiver? Thats should be interesting…2 Longhorns fighting it out.

  9. By tim8514 on Jun 30, 2010 | Reply

    TJ decided to leave the Bengals, not sure I care very much about what he thinks.

  10. By mwindle1973 on Jul 2, 2010 | Reply

    2nd Boot: Sometime in the early 80’s or maybe even before that the NFL starting using WR instead of Split end, Flanker, and Slot Back. Now they are still just listed as WRs, but referred to as X, Y, Z.

    X is a Split End, who is always opposite the TE. Without the TE you technically have 2 Split Ends. Split Ends lineup on the LOS. Ex. Ocho Cinco

    Z is the Flanker, who is always on the same side as the TE. The Flanker always lines up behind the LOS. Ex. TJ Housh.

    Y is the Slot Receiver, who always lines in between a Split End or Flanker and the line. A Slot WR can line up on the LOS or behind it.

    H-back refers to a TE, usually a 2nd one, who lines up at the end of the line like a normal TE, but is a couple yds in the backfield. Making him technically a Wing Back. But since a Wing Back is used in a totally different way in in a totally different formation. They call it H-Back. Joe Gibbs designed the offense the created the position and he called it H-back. It is not commonly known why or what it refers too. And there were others use a TE in this way just not in the 2 TE formation. In the 60s there were teams that took the Slot Back (usually a RB) and lined him up in the backfield just off or inside the line, instead of the slot.

  11. By mwindle1973 on Jul 2, 2010 | Reply

    Tim8514: TJ didn’t decide to leave the Bengals. We decided not to sign him. We had first dibs. And ultimately he only got 500K a year more than we offered. We choose to sign Lavernius COles and Shayne Graham. We could have re-signed TJ long term and signed a K for 1.5 M instead of 2.5M and we would have spent the same money.

    That said though, I’m not sure we wanted to re-sign him totally. While we appreciated his talents, I’m not sure we appreciated his attitude. Notice he has to get his digs in about Pete Carroll being too hard on him. He even mentioned Marvin too! That 7th round pick, I have something to prove can be good. But in TJs case it seems to have become a chip on his shoulder.

    But I still think he is one the best WRs in the game and definitely knows what he is talking about.

  12. By tim8514 on Jul 2, 2010 | Reply

    mwindle1973:No offense but if TJ decided not to sign the Bengals offer and decided to sign the Seattle offer, then didn’t he decide to leave the Bengals? His attitude was an issue and I am fine with his departure anyway you want to call it.

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