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Posted by hobsonschoice1 on February 14, 2011 – 4:28 pm

On this first week after the first weekend with no football, here are some Frequently Asked Questions in Bengaldom:

DO YOU THINK CARSON PALMER WILL RETIRE IF HE ISN’T TRADED?

Never known Palmer not to be upfront, so I take him at his word.

The guess here is that he has privately told the Bengals to take it or leave it, because only “those close to him” have dropped the “R” word publicly. The other guess is that Bengals president Mike Brown, who has always thought highly of Palmer as a person as well as a player, is going to hold fast to the belief that there can be some kind of reconciliation because of the commitment the club showed him when it made him the highest paid player in the NFL.

But that’s only a guess, kids. Neither Brown nor Palmer has talked since The Mobile Manifest of Jan. 24.

The CBA stalemate begs a compromise. The Bengals can’t trade him even if they wanted to and they can’t get a veteran to replace him. Plus, if they draft one high, they can’t even teach him the offense. It would almost seem best for both parties to do the Boomer Bridge option and have Palmer in place one more year before the deal is done. That could change, but anyone see a CBA resolution before March 4?

SPEAKING OF THE CBA, WHAT’s UP? WILL THE BENGALS PLAY TAG?

Nothing. So trades and free agency look to be null and void come March 4 unless the talks heat up. Best-case scenario is they get close, extend talks for a couple of weeks, and then get something done around March 20. (The NFL meetings are the week of March 21 in New Orleans.)

But no matter what happens, don’t look for the Bengals to use the franchise tag on either of their two key free agents, cornerback Johnathan Joseph or running back Cedric Benson. They want to sign both to long-term deals with sane salary cap hits. But not before the CBA is done because they want to make sure the deals fit whatever system they get.

WHAT IS THE CLUB’S BIGGEST CHALLENGE OF THE LOCKOUT?

New offensive coordinator Jay Gruden is doing it. He’s pumping out the playbook as soon as he can so the players will have it in their hands before the lockout commences and teams are no longer allowed to communicate with players.

The problem is, it’s not like the last work stoppage. In 1987 it came early in the season and the Bengals were already in town. And quarterback Boomer Esiason kept them together and working out. Now, the Bengals will be spread out all over the country and their offense is in transition with Xs and Os and maybe at quarterback.

They’ll have time to get together before some kind of season starts.

But will it be for three weeks or three months?

WHERE ARE THEY IN COMPLETING THEIR COACHING STAFF?

They’ll need to find a new receivers coach (Mike Sheppard is the new Jacksonville quarterbacks coach) and a new defensive assistant with assistant secondary coach Louie Cioffi expected to be named the secondary coach in Arizona on Monday.

Even though the team is staring at no football indefinitely, it figures to replace the two rather quickly. Conventional wisdom is that head coach Marvin Lewis is looking for a guy that is familiar with Gruden or with the concepts he’s running. With Chad Ochocinco’s status seemingly up in the air, this could be the youngest (and least dramatic) group of receivers the Bengals have had since 2002. The Ocho led the team with 69 catches in his second season, followed by Peter Warrick and Ron Dugans in their third seasons, with  T.J. Houshmandzadeh, also in his second season, hitting cleanup.

The Bengals may not necessarily be looking for another secondary coach on defense. They have high regard for secondary coach Kevin Coyle’s ability to coach both cornerbacks and safeties.


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35 Responses to “FAQs: Looks like no tag”

  1. By jamison007 on Feb 14, 2011 | Reply

    Thanks again Hobson for being the only reasonable and credible info available to us fans. When I read things like the Bleacher Report it is obvious that a lot of other fans would like nothing better than for Cincy fans to get upset and urge MB to trade away Carson…my theory is that it is because the rest of the league knows the Bengals are a legit team that is ready for a great year if Carson comes back. With the CBA issues, I also hope that Carson realizes that if there was ever a year to give something 1 more chance, this would be it. With a potential shortened season, it would be very difficult for him to go get to know a whole new family of players in such a short amount of time. Plus, even if the ’11 season doesn’t go well, which I don’t think will be the case, at least Palmer would get some time to adjust to a west coast oriented offense and be ready for Seattle or S.F. in 2012.

  2. By hobsonschoice1 on Feb 14, 2011 | Reply

    JAMISON _ The CBA has really got things gummed up, doesn’t it? Literally, the entire business is in suspended animation. You can’t even get past the basic questions.

  3. By jamison007 on Feb 14, 2011 | Reply

    Hobson – you got that right…this has to also become apparent to Carson too. Even if Carson has been saying to himself ‘give it 1 more year’ for the past 3 years, with all the CBA complications, his best bet professionally is to stick with the guys that know him. My plea to Carson is to tell the team, “I am going to give it my very best this year and if we can’t be successful than I am moving on in 2012.” I urge Carson to give his boyz one last chance to elevate their play in 2011. To Bengaldom – its time to show our love for Carson…at least 6 of our wins in 2009 came ala Carson last minute heroics; moreover he has been tasked to play hero in virtually all of his games in Cincy. We have never had the talent on D like we do now, its been a long ride Carson, but this is a year not to walk away from!

  4. By tralfaz1127 on Feb 14, 2011 | Reply

    Carson may not want to wait a year for a trade as this offseason will probably be the best opportunity he’s got to go west. Arizona, San Fran, Seattle,and possibly even Oakland are all possible options that won’t be there a year from now. San Diego is set with Rivers, and all the other teams I listed will make moves as soon as they can to settle their QB situation for the future. As for the defensive assistant, I don’t think it’s confidence in Kevin Coyle as much as it would save Mike Brown money.

  5. By whodeysteve on Feb 14, 2011 | Reply

    Did anybody just hear what Solomon Wilcots had to say about the Palmer situation on NFL Network. He said they should trade Palmer for Kevin Kolb(who has played in the WCO his whole career so he would know Grudens system. Also it’s a plus because there is NFL tape of this guy and thats something no rookie could ever offer them) because he feels Palmer he will sit out. So we would trade the 4th pick(For Kolb and there first round pick) because theres no one the Bengals need there because we already have Johnson and Dunlap or for a wide reciever when so many end up being bust when drafted that high? Then trade Palmer to Seattle for there first pick. That way with the money saved by trading Palmer we could resign J-Joe and Benson to long term deals and get two first rounders to go with them under a rookie cap. system. It seemed to make a lot of sense the way he said it so if we do plan to tade Palmer that would seem to be the way to go.

  6. By rparr32 on Feb 14, 2011 | Reply

    Hob, I have to say that I read your blog very often, and for the most part you usually have posts that make sense; however, your comment about keeping Palmer for one more year as they did with Boomer was ABSURD. Why would you try to keep an individual who doesnt want to be here? What kind of effort do you think you are going to get from him? He will show up, participate with minimal effort to avoid injury and move on. What does that accomplish? How does this team advance with that type of logic? This is what is wrong with this organization. I am not claiming to be more intelligent than anyone else; however, don’t you think it makes more sense to trade him while he has value? Denver recieved a first, third, fifth, and Kyle Orton for Cutler. I think Palmer is better than Cutler and also believe he could generate just as many draft picks in return.

  7. By mwindle1973 on Feb 15, 2011 | Reply

    You forgot 2 FAQs Hobs, although it is a rather new one. Do you think we are included in the reported one third of the teams in the league that are pursuing Shaun Rogers right now? And we keep saying TO is not coming back, but do we know that for sure? With Rogers it would make sense, we pursued him before. But he has dropped in production since then, and may be starting to stray from this type of player. With TO there was some tension, but you might wxpect some in a season like last. But again we appear to be moving away from this type of personality. Or are we? I guess it just depends on how much they think personalities have hurt the team in the past. It’s something you can’t really judge too well from outside the locker room.

  8. By bengalpirate on Feb 15, 2011 | Reply

    Geoff, In my humble opinion, yeah, do the Boomer Bridge option and hope and pray we play well enough next year to win Carson back for the terms of his existing contract. We all knew he would end up back in Southern California eventually, anyway, so allow him to start moving in that direction, but we need/require him here for at least one or two more years. If we had developed a good young backup QB over the years, it’s a different scenario, but we didn’t. In regards to a potential lockout, who knows how those dice will roll out and how bitter things will get. Hopefully, greed, on the owners, players and lawyers part, won’t win the day. I think I can speak for the fans when I say that nobody wins with a lockout or strike. With the coaching staff, please, please, please, go get the best possible candidates for the open positions, as the new coaches potentially give us the advantage to win a couple of crucial games needed every year by teams that make it into and win games in the playoff.

  9. By bengalpirate on Feb 15, 2011 | Reply

    On the matter of using the tag option, I just read on ProFootballTalk that “Under the rules of the uncapped year, teams could apply two transition tags or one franchise tag and one transition tag. In capped years under the current labor deal, teams could use one franchise tag or one transition tag.” If this is true, is it possible we could franchise tag Cedric Benson and transition tag Jonathan Joseph??? If true, it would defintiely enhance the Bengals effort to keep both players and keep core players needed to win a Super Bowl.

  10. By 2ndboot on Feb 15, 2011 | Reply

    So a multi-millionaire who just came off a really bad season wants to leave a team that almost never wins and we as fans are supposed to care what he does or thinks? I find that beyond the absurd in terms of arrogance. Why not just replace him with Hosni Mubarak cronies and be done with it? If Palmer thinks he’ll fare much better anywhere else as QB playing like last season he’s dreaming. If he throws the same interceptions in any town they’ll throw the same trash and boo him just as badly there too so why not just quit now while you have a shred of dignity left? Unless he has a new plan if i were Mike Brown I would trade him to a team with absolutely no future and certainly not a contender and get whatever I could get, but Mikey in all his stubborn wisdom will most likely do nothing, get nothing and my last hurrah’s as a Bengals fan will dwindle like a rotten tomato on the vine as we go through another succession of bad quarterbacks destined for the Arena leagues.

  11. By hobsonschoice1 on Feb 15, 2011 | Reply

    WINDY _ The Bengals have no interest in Rogers at age 32 and playing about 30 percent of the downs. Plus, there is stil a bad taste from the aborted trade for him in 2008.

    As for T.O., he’s not coming back and, like everybody else, just reading the tea leaves, it doesn’t look like Chad is, either. What does that mean? People outside the locker room gripe about the locker room, but except for those two guys, it’s been the best it’s ever been under Marvin Lewis as far as the number of guys who show up and stick to business. Whitworth, Peko, Bobbie Williams, Hall, Crocker, Geathers, the list goes on.

    No question they need to make some kind of move here because there is a sense in the locker room there was some double standards going on with the receivers. But it doesn’t have to be a massive move. There is a pretty good core in there.

    RPARR _ Not that absurd. You can’t treat this like you’re trying to find someone to write the web site or hiring a human resources person, or a CPA. The guy is not your average employee like most us. And, you can’t treat this like it’s a normal NFL offseason.

    The guy trying to get out is one of only 10 people in the world that can do what he can do and you’ve already given him the most money your company has ever given an employee. And you’re just going to let him go without getting equal value with four years left on a contract? Who would do that?

    Kyle Orton? Kevin Kolb? I’m going to guess that management thinks they are no Carson Palmers. And I’m also going to guess management wants nothing less in return.

    Plus, you’re assuming you can make a trade. And that training camp starts on time. You give Kolb (or Orton or Blaine Gabbert)the ball, introduce him to Jermaine Gresham, and in three weeks you open on The Coast?

    That would be absurd. Bringing him back is the best of the options staring at them. That may all change with a timely CBA, but that’s the problem. There’s not even a timeline for that.

    As for the coaching thing, I probably didn’t make myself clear. They are going to replace Cioffi, so it’s not about money. But they are probably looking for a guy to replace his off-field skills with the computer, organization, and game plans and relying on Coyle to do the bulk of the on-field coaching. The new guy will still assist him on the field, but he most likely won’t have the responsibilty of the safeties like Cioffi did.

  12. By hobsonschoice1 on Feb 15, 2011 | Reply

    PIRATE _ See above. They’re not looking to use a tag on either guy because of the cap hit and prefer something longer than a year.

  13. By overthroensamoan on Feb 15, 2011 | Reply

    With the CBA problems bringing the NFL hot stove season to a hault. Just wondering if any tidbits might be available on Grudens offensive philosophy. With his experience in the Arena League will he lean to a spread you out greatest show on turf design or will he be more of a Andy Reid West Coast style. Either would be an improvement. Let’s hope both sides see the light and get a deal done. I have my doubts it looks like the owners are digging in their heels and are preparing for the long haul.

  14. By jamison007 on Feb 15, 2011 | Reply

    @RPARR – Hobson has been providing us the only credible and worthwhile insights about the Bengals this offseason…plus, I don’t think he or any of us are crazy or absurd for thinking the best scenario for us is to convince Carson to give it one more year. To think that Carson would not give a 100%+ ever is to be a fan that doesn’t understand Carson’s grit of character. I was in the stadium when he got hurt, you could feel the hurt in the stadium…he came back in ’06 like a warrior. That takes sheer guts and determination to overcome ACL/MCL injuries like that. Carson is never the kind of guy to give less than 110%. More and more now, if Chad can’t get his act together, finally…lets get Carson back, take out the divas and let him be the 1 and only leader to be reckoned with…because I imagine IF Carson comes back he aint’ gonna be playing around, there will be fire in his eyes!

  15. By tepidfan31 on Feb 15, 2011 | Reply

    Geoff, I understand that Tobin is a good guy, no problem with that. However, how long has he been here? Is Dunlap his only success that he can point to for the Bengals? Daulap was considered as a seconder by almost every draft guru. A great scout comes up with a hidden nugget once in awhile; not as much as some years ago, but then simply look a the “no name” picks who have done so well for other teams the last 5 years. Finally the stats say in the last ten years that the Bengals rank 27th comparing average draft position vs. team wins. Doesn’t say much about our scouting department, does it. The best, as you would guess, patriots, steelers, colts.

  16. By bengalpirate on Feb 15, 2011 | Reply

    Geoff, I’m aware that they’re not wanting to use tags on either guy, but granted, you probably have more insight into team cap matters than I can ever imagine, do they risk losing both players thinking Benson and Joseph are a lock for staying in Cincinnati? We’ve been down this path before where we lose players when another team offers a really lucrative deal and the days of handshake loyalty are way gone. Ownership could always tag them and then negotiate long-term deals afterwards. Honestly, are we going to find another bell cow RB like Cedric and a CB like Jonathan Joseph in free agency or the draft? I think not. These 2 guys are worth any cap hit in my book, but I’ve been wrong before. If Carson does retire and we lose Benson and Joseph, you can write off another 2-3 years for the Bengals. Not exactly what I want to contemplate, as I decide whether or not to keep my season tickets.

  17. By hobsonschoice1 on Feb 15, 2011 | Reply

    Tobin is more than a good guy. He’s obviously a major-league evaluator given his track record at other clubs and here.

    But a scout’s evaluation is only part of the selection process. Also involved are the owner, the head coach, the coordinator and the position coach.

    They’ve had some solid picks in Tobin’s area through the draft. Dunlap. Johnathan Joseph in the first. Michael Johnson and Pat Sims in the third. Robert Geathers and Geno Atkins in the fourth.

    The record is interesting because more goes into wins and losses than talent. Last year, the national pundits agreed. The Bengals had their most talent ever under Marvin Lewis, and some gurus speculated it was their most talented team ever.

    And in ’06 and ’07, the knock wasn’t a lack of talent but underachievement.

    But the pundits try to have it both ways. If they say they can’t draft, then they also can’t say they underachieved.

    Would you agree, Tep, that, for the most part, they’ve had enough talent to win since ’05 but that they’ve had other issues? (Be it the off-field stuff in ’06, the Carson injury in ’08, the lack of offensive identity in ’10).

  18. By hobsonschoice1 on Feb 15, 2011 | Reply

    PIRATE: They’re going to take their chances and go after them in free agency. Again, the CBA seems to be at play here. You just don’t know what the cap is going to be.

  19. By tcrouse78 on Feb 15, 2011 | Reply

    Solomon Wilcots article makes a lot of sense, especially with his assertion that the Bengals could end up with Kolb, and picks 23 & 25, but do you think that Philly and Seattle would be likely to agree with those trades? I don’t think they would… Kolb seems like he would be the best potential option in the league other than a Palmer return with a committment to give this year all he has. I also like the thought of having two late first round picks where we may be able top pick up top notch talent at DE, RB, OL, or even Rahim Moore, S-UCLA. What do you think Hobbes?

  20. By mwindle1973 on Feb 15, 2011 | Reply

    I can’t believe we are lucky enough to have Bill Tobin here as a scout and people refer to him as just a nice guy. The name Tobin and football success go hand in hand. I assumed everyone knew about his connections to the 85 Bears team. The Tobin brothers are highly respected amonst the NFL fraternity. He has long been considered one of the best evaluators of talent in the league.

  21. By Mel on Feb 15, 2011 | Reply

    Hobs…could you please elaborate on Carson’s issue with the team? Does this problem run deeper than just him or is it a personal family issue? I am really perplexed by his stance and what amounts to quitting on the organization and the fans. This is especially dis-hearting for me because I have been a staunch defender of his for many years.

  22. By 2ndboot on Feb 15, 2011 | Reply

    Geoff..I have to go with you on Tobin, etc. To hear most fans he’s just one non football guy scouting completely alone for the Bengals for minimum wage while teams like the Pats have thousands of highly paid and skilled scouts all with multiple MVPs and HOFers. Mike Brown does get a bum rap as being cheap. If he was as cheap as many think nobody would ever sign with the Bengals. Heck, they wouldn’t be able to sign Arena league players according to the pundits and fans. I think the truth of the matter is Mikey is no dummy with money. Sure he’s made mistakes and I don’t think he would deny it himself, but he’s far from the cheapskate he’s made out to be. He came in as just his dads son, not his dads contemporary so it’s been a strange learning curve most fans and pundits would never master with their bachelor degrees in communications. Mikey is an Ivy League trained lawyer. Stupid people don;t get degrees like that.

  23. By 2ndboot on Feb 15, 2011 | Reply

    I think you’re right about the tag thing. What if the new (if there even is one) CBA and the cap is only half of what they pay out with the tag? That could be several million out the window never to be seen again for a couple of players who were not really stellar last year. I wouldn’t tag anyone either not knowing what their market value might or might not be. That’s like buying a car with bad brakes and just handing the salesman a blank check and say, “Charge me whatever you think the car is worth.”

  24. By mwindle1973 on Feb 16, 2011 | Reply

    IDK Hobs, I see your point that Palmer is better than any other option at this point. But what if he sleepwalks through the season waiting to get out of here. So it’s a risky choice as well. Solomon Wilcots thinks we could get Kevin Kolb and should. He says it’s entirely possible to swing a deal involving the following. We send the 4th pick in this draft for Kolb and the Eagles 23rd pick (he said he would even settle for their 2nd rounder). Then send Palmer to Seattle for their 25th pick. Leaving us with Kolb and the either 2 1st round picks or a first round pick and an extra second rounder. He says it makes too much sense. No Kolb is not Palmer. But Palmer is not himself either right now. Kolb as Wilcots points out, is far better than any QB we could pickup in the draft or through free agency. But as he states we must be proactive and do it in the next week or so. If not, by the time the CBA comes through, the value will not be there.

  25. By 208bengal on Feb 16, 2011 | Reply

    I think Carson returning in 2011 would be the best option. There will always be teams out there hurting for a QB and Carson is a solid veteran who could benefit one of those teams, if he had to be traded. I think it would be smart for the Bengals to hold out because next years QB class, in the 2012 draft, should be pretty good.(Andrew Luck, Terrel Pryor, Kellen Moore, etc etc.) As much as I hate thinking about Palmer being traded, it’s time for Bengals fans, coaches, and administration to look towards the future. We need key players in place so when a new QB shuffles in, he will already be in a win friendly environment. In the mean time… please stick around a bit longer Palmer and a trade just might come your way.

  26. By whodeycincy on Feb 16, 2011 | Reply

    Hey! Whats up benaldgom! Carson if you read this blog,were all love ya,best thing for you is to get back at a one Mr bill cower..dont let him win….see his querkery smile? hes laughing at u…dont letem win! in a cold month in 2006 a one carson alexaned napier was born…….he looks up to u…dont letem win!.

  27. By hobsonschoice1 on Feb 16, 2011 | Reply

    MEL: I appreciate the question. Frankly, it’s the only one, isn’t it?

    Beyond the Jan. 24. statement, I’m not going to read Carson’s mind. I’m not going to ask his relatives, his realtor, or the people that threw garbage on his lawn. I’m not going to speculate, guess, or make it up.

    I want to report what he says from his own mouth. I owe him that.

    Down through the years, Carson has been extremely gracious with me when it comes to his time and patience. I’ve got a lot of admiration for him. I hope my kids eventually have many of his qualities.

    When he wants to go on the record, then we’ll know. Until then, do we really?

    Solly has a real good take on their options if they ever get to make a trade. But I don’t think they want to. I think they think their best shot to win this year is with No. 9. We should know more about their thinking when Marvin meets the media a week from Friday at the combine in Indy.

    But something tells me the Eagles aren’t giving up Kolb when Vick has just a one-year deal.

  28. By mwindle1973 on Feb 17, 2011 | Reply

    Hobs, I think the real problem with the fans accepting that keeping Palmer is the best issue is really a simple one to understand. And it’s an issue not being addressed. What if he does retire? And if not what if he decides to go through the motions for a season? Either of these options are not the best, in fact they are not even good options. I sure hope he comes back, and he is our best option. But let’s get the situation straight here. This is a gamble. Trading him is the only sane thing to do, and is the surer of the 2 outcomes. Trade him and you will know what your dealing with at that point. Doing what we are doing is just nothing but a huge, yet calculated gamble. A 4-12 team gambling on their future is like a poor man spending his dinner money on blackjack in hopes of something better.

  29. By 2ndboot on Feb 17, 2011 | Reply

    Unless I’m mistaken and Palmer retires the Bengals get what? The opportunity to give him a gold watch and what else? The opportunity to grab a QB most likely on the skids or lacking experience..no draft picks, just a huge sucking vacuum sound at QB and another season of the one constant every Bengals fan knows all to well, “There’s always next year.”.
    On the other hand..We still have Dan LaFevour who did have a stellar college career, but will it ever work at the pro level? There is one way to find out and if Palmer does retire it might just turn out to be the best thing that ever happened in Bengaldom..

  30. By hobsonschoice1 on Feb 17, 2011 | Reply

    MATT: Can you ever see Carson Palmer going through the motions?

    And, don’t you think everything is a gamble at this
    point?

  31. By jamison007 on Feb 17, 2011 | Reply

    In this time of speculation and darkness that swirls around Bengaldom, I have been searching the Internet for news on Carson, so I have read some really trashy articles and blog posts. However, in a recent ESPN article/video clip, they post some tweets between Chad and T.O. I am one of those die-hard fans, so it takes more than people not liking Chad’s sense of humor for me not to 100% support Chad…but maybe I just came across a few tweets that has turned me around on this issue. For Chad and T.O. to so flippedly go back and forth and whine about how they get all the blame for Carson wanting out is 100% childish, unproductive and unprofessional.

    Perhaps the NFL Network has it right, reports of Chad staying in Cincy aren’t appealing to Carson. At this point, it isn’t appealing to me either – a lifelong out-of-state Bengal Warrior Fan. I am ready to move, rid our team of the Diva Complex, get Carson back and lets rock!

  32. By 2ndboot on Feb 17, 2011 | Reply

    The whole CBA thing just strikes me of complete hypocrisy. NFL players don’t have to worry about money even if they have 12 kids and grandma lives with them and now they want more? When the bottom of the ladder player makes over a quarter million a year it’s darned tough to take them seriously when they whine about money and benefits while we have governors out right banning collective bargaining for public employees, many who work 12 months out of the year and some even putting their lives on the line for us while players, well, play and I’ve read not a single word of the NFLPA backing public employees and their collective bargaining rights being banned. So what is next? Do states tell the players they too have no collective bargaining rights as well? Hypocrisy only goes so far players. I like football, but I like the rest of society having the same opportunities to feed their families even if they’re not born natural athletes.

  33. By jamison007 on Feb 17, 2011 | Reply

    After thinking quite a bit about our situation this year, something seemed to finally make sense. A receiver can’t be great without a great quarterback and a quarterback can’t be great if the receiver runs their own routes. I always knew and felt that Carson has been fighting hard for our team and I always hoped that Chad would do more than just talk about it. I just wish that Chad would have, and possibly could get that being the best in the NFL demands complete dedication to being just that more bad-ass than the next superstar. Not being better than average or able to make the team, but being better than s-u-p-e-r stars. So the blood, sweat and tears has to be invested over the offseason so you can enjoy the fruits of success on the other side…after it happens. C’mon Carson and Ced, take us there – to the promiseland- and lets go Marvin, make the moves we need.

  34. By mwindle1973 on Feb 17, 2011 | Reply

    Yeah Hobs it’s all a gamble at this point. It’s a heck of a position to be in as an organization. As far as Palmer going through the motions. No I can’t see it up till now. But I didn’t see the trade/retirement demand coming either. His behavior is out of character. But my biggest concern is he will indeed retire and re-instate after a year out. He’s sat out 3 seasons of his pro career basically and probably doesn’t fear the rust like most would. It makes the draft difficult. But if they can pull it off and get him back that is best. I still believe he is elite. You get him and the offense operating at the top of his form and he can be a top 3 QB. This is why we have to get back to Lewis’ style of D, running and STs. Because if Palmer retires or gets injured, or gets suspended like Big Ben (funny huh?), then we can still have a chance to win if Charlie Batch is our QB.

  35. By thecoastman on Feb 21, 2011 | Reply

    Last year at the beginning of the year I was not a big Carson supporter. Class act, but I really though he was finished. After watching him in the last few games, and considering the talent on this team, I really want to see what he can do under the Gruden system. I truly believe that we need to start a start a “Carson, we really love you, please come home” petition. I am on the coast so I am not sure how I can get this thing going, but we need to show him some love. Any suggestions?

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