Trade up would be historic as QB talk heats

Posted by hobsonschoice1 on April 4, 2011 – 4:20 pm

The Bengals and draftable quarterbacks are going to be linked heavily this week, given Ryan Mallett’s visit on Friday and this week’s private workout of Cam Newton in Auburn.

With Bengals coaches and scouts not off the road until later in the week, it looks like there isn’t going to be a full-blown discussion or debate for at least a few more days. So the notions they are clearing the decks to draft Mallett at No. 35 or Newton or Blaine Glabbert at No. 4 seem to be a bit premature. A big part of the Mallett discussion is going to be about the so-called intangibles and that’s going to take a little longer to break down and get a consensus than making a call on a guy’s arm, which by all accounts is terrific.

The presumption seems to be since the Bengals have gambled on risks before (Odell Thurman, Chris Henry, Andre Smith) they’ll do it again. But those guys didn’t play quarterback, either.

The intriguing question is if the Bengals don’t draft a QB at No. 4. Would they be willing to trade up into the first round or to even trade with the Patriots to jump two slots into the second round’s top spot for Mallett?

History would tell you no. Not even for a quarterback.

They’ve only traded up twice, according to the media guide: In 1995 they traded the fifth pick and their second-round pick to Carolina for the right to draft Penn State running back Ki-Jana Carter No. 1. In the 2002 third round, they again hit up the Panthers for their third-round pick (No. 67) for the Bengals’ third-round pick (73) and a fifth-rounder.

Knowing the Lions were also looking for a tight end at No. 68 and that TCU’s Matt Schobel was the last one on the board that could come in and be a factor, the Bengals were desperate to get in front of Detroit because they had virtually no other tight end on the roster.

Now, could they be that desperate at No. 35 for a QB?

It would be historic.

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9 Responses to “Trade up would be historic as QB talk heats”

  1. By tralfaz1127 on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    Really hope they take the best player available at 4 (Peterson, Green, Fairley, etc..) and get the QB next. Just hope that whatever they do it does not include trading next years #1. Marvin has hinted at trading next years picks, and the possibility exists without Carson that next years #1 could be the overall #1 and Andrew Luck.

  2. By bengalpirate on Apr 4, 2011 | Reply

    To trade up and draft Newton or Gabbert is a big risk, given that neither one of these QB’s is a lock. If the Bengals can’t trade down a few slots in the first round and pick up an extra pick or 2, then stay pat at the 4 slot and draft the guy with the highest grade still on the board. Whether that pick is a WR, DT, DE, LB, or a QB, take the highest graded guy still available..How many times in the past have we reached for a “need” pick only to by-pass future stars?

  3. By mwindle1973 on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    Geoff this situation is definitely more desperate than TE in 02. I think they would trade up from that 35 spot to get the right QB. BUt will not trade up from #4. There could be a panic and if Newton and Gabbert go before #4. And we may not get a chance at a top 5 QB at #35. I’ve heard that scenario proposed in media draft discussion. In fact the more time goes by the more it looks like strong demand will outweigh weak supply. BUt let’s not assume that the teams have these QBs at the same place on their boards as the mocksters. This is as hard of a year to mock QBs as ever. Some say Mallet goes mid first round, some say early second. Yet he is one of 8 players Carolina is considering for the 1st pick. And is there really much difference between the top 5 guys. I really don’t see one sticking out. They all have most of the tools to be NFL QBs. Yet they all have questions that would usually drop a QB to the mid-1st to mid-2nd round.

  4. By hobsonschoice1 on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    The demand is so high that there is a strong possibility Newton and Gabbert will be gone in two of the top three picks and then what the Bengals face is teams reaching for quarterbacks they have slotted as late first- rounders and early second-rounders. I agree. They may not get a guy waiting around at No. 35.

    As for next year, you can assume there is going to be a draft. But how do you give up next year’s picks when there is still even an outside shot a.) the work stoppage drags into next year or b.) the draft is declared illegal.

    Granted, it’s highly unlikely, but Butler just went to two straight national title games. But how does a team take a 2012 pick without knowing for sure they’re going to get something back?

    Marvin Lewis sounds like he is all for trading a 2012 pick to help the Bengals now. But he might have a tough time finding a trading partner as long as the system is in doubt.

  5. By jamison007 on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    I definitely urge MB to trade up in second year of this draft to get QB. Then stock up on lineman on both sides of the ball. The feeling I get is that this draft is stacked with nuts and bolts type of players, lets get good compliments to the core of team.

  6. By jamison007 on Apr 5, 2011 | Reply

    correction – I meant to write, “I definitely urge MB to trade up in second pick of this draft..”. Thanks Geoff, great article with Boomer by the way.

  7. By sidelinetweeting101 on Apr 6, 2011 | Reply

    Hey Hobs, with all of this talk about drafting QB’s I was wondering how the team feels about Dan LaFevour? He seems to be a perfect fit in the WCO in my opinion, he is mobile and has a decent arm with decent accuracy. Do you have any insight as to what the coaches say about him? I know that Marvin struggles when it comes to evaluating young talent (Simpson, Dunlap, Atkins) but have you heard anything about LaFevour? I really feel that we may already have our QB for the future when I watch some of his game tape from Central Michigan.

  8. By hobsonschoice1 on Apr 6, 2011 | Reply

    TWEETER: I think they like LeFevour as a potential No. 2 down the road, but he’s not going to suddenly surface as the answer right now.

    They like his attitude, brains, and athleticism. He’s a solid, personable guy. He came in last year at Cutdown day and learned the system quickly and worked it hard from all reports. He seems to be an excellent athlete that can run.

    But his arm strength is probably the No. 1 thing working against him. He’ll be in a new system and while the West Coast isn’t known as a long-bomb offense, you still have to zip it.

    Yet he’ll get a good look under new offensive coordinator Jay Gruden. Mobility helps in a West Coast and Gruden says his two top traits in a QB are smarts and accuracy. LeFevour seems to have those, but he’s going to need some more time to season while they get that No. 1 for the future.

    How they stack him up with Jordan Palmer is hard to gauge. Obviously, Palmer has much more expereience as a No. 2. And maybe a guy like LeFevour would do something if pressed into service, but he looks to be on a more developmental road for at least this season.

  9. By ikecurtis on Apr 6, 2011 | Reply

    They need to stay put and take Ponder in round 2. He’s more fit to run the West Coast. I feel he’s the sleeper of this QB class. Mallett brings with him a great arm but also alot of baggage. He might also be the most unathletic QB I’ve ever seen. George Blanda at 50 moved better in the pocket than this guy.

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